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Posted by: Skuylervf Now I recently finished Peter Wilson's book on this massive conflict. And it is incredibly hard to piece together the events. And then I read the Campaign 68 Lutzen, which was beautiful and very well written and helped to paint a portrait of what it looked like. So I'm wondering why there is so little on such an important conflict? There all these ideas for minor wars and battles, but the big ones are being ignored too. Its a little ridiculous to have a play by play of the English Civil War, but just a trickle on the Thirty Years War.
Posted on: 14/10/2013 07:13:00

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Posted by: Paintybeard
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Joined Date: Monday, 4 February 2013
Blow by blow on the English Civil War? It's a decade since we had a book on the subject! Not that I'm saying the Thirty Years war doesn't deserve a whole lot more attention. And everything else that happened in the 16th. and 17th. Centuries.
Posted on: 14/10/2013 12:21:00
Posted by: Nightbird
Total Posts: 1
Joined Date: Saturday, 4 January 2014
A lot more attention for what happened in Europe, Middle East, Central Asia, China, India, Britain of course and elsewhere in the world, hopefully. Breitenfeld 1631, Mohacs 1526, Panipat 1526 etc.
Posted on: 14/10/2013 14:40:00
Posted by: Ivan
Total Posts: 2
Joined Date: Sunday, 7 September 2008
Osprey's largest market is now outside Europe. Expect titles accordingly.
Posted on: 14/10/2013 15:06:00
Posted by: Digedags
Total Posts: 2
Joined Date: Thursday, 26 December 2013
The 30 year war is one of the most underrepresentated conflicts by Osprey. I agree that that ratio between the TYW and the ECW is uneven but understandable since Osprey is a British publisher. But even the EW has still lots of gaps which could be filled. The whole era - which I find highly interesting - should be covered more. Sadly many peoples interests in military history jump right from ancient/medieval to Napoleonics (with the excemption of AWI in the US). All the in between conflicts suffer from this. Seemingly obscur titles for popular comflicts sell better as major titles for less popular eras. Which is too bad since I am really interested in TYW, ECW and Renaissance titles.
Posted on: 14/10/2013 15:38:00
Posted by: Nightbird
Total Posts: 1
Joined Date: Saturday, 4 January 2014
Outside Europe and in North America, Beaver Wars then.
Posted on: 14/10/2013 16:54:00
Posted by: Skuylervf
Total Posts: 2
Joined Date: Thursday, 20 September 2012
Okay two points: (A) Yes Th Beaver Wars,I'm 100% game, but that's a little random... (B) I'll concede that even I am really loving all of the really obscure titles that are being released, like say Fallen Timers, or Meiktila, but saying no one will be interested in the Thirty Years war because the market is elsewhere is a little...well no matter. How well did Lutzen sell? It has great reviews. I think it would be worth the effort to put out a title or two. It's hard to say there is no market with so little out there. And I will say I am American and I am interested. Say: White Mountain 1620, Breitenfeld 1631, Nordlingen 1634, Rocroi 1643
Posted on: 14/10/2013 18:13:00
Posted by: WickedMessenger
Total Posts: 10
Joined Date: Wednesday, 22 May 2013
I guess this war is just not "sexy" enough. There's no knights or Napoleon to appeal to people's imagination. It happened at the same time as the 80 years war in Holland, which was us against, the Spanish. That's easy to understand. But if you asked me who was fighting who in the 30 years war, I wouldn't know either.
Posted on: 14/10/2013 18:15:00
Posted by: achim
Total Posts: 40
Joined Date: Wednesday, 11 September 2013
Well, there were very interesting Generals out there during this time! Mansfield, Wallenstein, Prince Maurice, Spinola, Bernhard von Weimar, Torstenson von Arnim and of course, "the lion from Midnight", King Gustav Adolf II of Sweden! this list is by absolutely no means complete! the problem is surely that not many people in the english speaking world have heared of them! it is also a fact that many Scottish (and also some English) Mercenaries fought in this war! It is estimated that fully 30% of the Swedish army in Gustav Adolf's time were Scotts! Wallenstein was murdered by his english Cornel Butler!! Thus, there is quite some "British" involvement (alas, not as a nation)! i guess, there should be some interest in this long drawn out and miserable affair that ripped Germany apart! I'd definitely would buy Osprey Books on this Conflict!!
Posted on: 14/10/2013 20:44:00
Posted by: Amaral
Total Posts: 200
Joined Date: Friday, 8 March 2013
It would be interesting to see how the German people suffered and how this affected German militarization.
Posted on: 15/10/2013 07:34:00
Posted by: Paintybeard
Total Posts: 371
Joined Date: Monday, 4 February 2013
Amaral: Try reading Chris Clark's "Iron Kingdom" for a good account of how Prussia started to grow from the aftermath of the Thirty Years War.
Posted on: 15/10/2013 07:46:00
Posted by: Württemberger
Total Posts: 1
Joined Date: Wednesday, 2 September 2009
Germany as a whole wasn't militarized until much later. As Paintybeard pointed out, Brandenburg-Prussia however started its ascendancy pretty much right after the Thirty Years' War.
Posted on: 15/10/2013 14:15:00
Posted by: achim
Total Posts: 40
Joined Date: Wednesday, 11 September 2013
the developement of Brandenburg-Prussia after the Thirty years war war rather unusual for the Empire as a whole! . Brandenburg was a relatively por country already before the TYW! during this war it was basically protected as a Swedish Ally most of the time! The depravations played out much more in the far richer áreas of Saxony and the Rhineland, Silesia and Bohemia then in Brandenburg! . After the peace 1648 Brandenburg was in much better shape then most of the rest of the Empire! And, the Elector of Brandenburg had understood very well that in the postwar era, a renewed, and independent Brandenburg Military (now without the difficult Swedish Alliance) would give him the tool to further his expansionist policy inside and outside the Empire!
Posted on: 15/10/2013 17:15:00
Posted by: Amaral
Total Posts: 200
Joined Date: Friday, 8 March 2013
Thanks, Painty. I know a Cavalry Major who will love to take a look at this book. Do you know if Robert M. Citino's book "The German Way of War: From the Thirty Years' War to the Third Reich" is worth reading?
Posted on: 15/10/2013 20:23:00
Posted by: Amaral
Total Posts: 200
Joined Date: Friday, 8 March 2013
I know that the wars of Luis XIV also contributed to the militarization of Germany, but to what extent can we quantify this?
Posted on: 15/10/2013 20:26:00
Posted by: Paintybeard
Total Posts: 371
Joined Date: Monday, 4 February 2013
Hi Amaral. Yes, Citino's book is very good in my opinion. It gives very good coverage and explanations of the German emphasis on movement to bring rapid victories and "Auftragstaktik" to encourage leadership at junior levels. The only faults I can think of are rather poor maps in the copy I own and the fact that the book (despite the title) doesn't really start until after the Thirty Years war is finished. Good luck finding a copy!
Posted on: 15/10/2013 21:01:00
Posted by: Amaral
Total Posts: 200
Joined Date: Friday, 8 March 2013
Danke, Painty. Just added it in my wishlist.
Posted on: 16/10/2013 07:14:00
Posted by: Blood Rave
Total Posts: 18
Joined Date: Friday, 10 May 2013
The pike and shot warfare of the thirty years war is interesting, as well as the fact that the thirty years war was in theory the first European total war in effect. It would be interesting to see the effects of this war of religion on the civilian population who suffered greatly during the conflict.
Posted on: 16/10/2013 12:31:00
Posted by: Württemberger
Total Posts: 1
Joined Date: Wednesday, 2 September 2009
@Amaral: please explain what you consider "militarization", because it think we don't mean the same thing...
Posted on: 16/10/2013 20:24:00
Posted by: Amaral
Total Posts: 200
Joined Date: Friday, 8 March 2013
I believe we do, but the militarization of Germany as a whole from 1871 was more a "Prussianization". Militarization for me is the over-representation of the military in society. For exemple, North Korea. The USA is the greatest military in the world, but its society is not militarized.
Posted on: 16/10/2013 23:10:00
Posted by: Württemberger
Total Posts: 1
Joined Date: Wednesday, 2 September 2009
there's no difference between prussianization and militarization, at least in germany... ;) none of the smaller german states was dumb enough to have more military than necessary, fro financial reasons. that's also what lead to the standing army regiments being leased to foreign powers, like hessians in the american independence war for example.
Posted on: 17/10/2013 01:18:00

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