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Posted by: ospreyfan1 I love Osprey's 17th century campaign titles, and I look forward to the next, but I realize they will rarely be made. From reading posts made over the last year or two and ones made by Paintybeard, Baldrick and others more recently, it seems some people would prefer an English Civil War title, and others prefer a title dealing with a continental European campaign. How about both in one volume? I wish to advocate "The Dunes 1658" as the next 17th century campaign title. It was essentially an English Civil War campaign/battle fought on the continent with continental allies: the New Model Army fighting alongside French troops under Turenne vs. English (and Irish and Scottish) Royalists allied with the Spanish under Don Juan and French rebels under Conde. A kind of all-in-one of 17th century military history: the New Model, Spanish tercios, the French, plus some Swiss, Dutch, German, and Walloon units involved as well, and plenty of infantry and cavalry action. Major political players: Oliver Cromwell, Cardinal Mazarin, King Louis XIV, and Charles II, among others. Politically, a significant battle, thwarting Charles II's attempt to regain the throne on his own terms. Great color plate potential: New Model redcoats storming the dune held by a Spanish tercio, the Duke of York leading cavalry charges, etc. Osprey could market it by emphasizing the British involvement, and it could appeal to ECW readers as well as those more interested in the continental European warfare of the period. Would you buy it?
Posted on: 12/03/2013 21:05:00

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Posted by: Paintybeard
Total Posts: 373
Joined Date: Monday, 4 February 2013
Would I buy it? Does the Pope wear a funny hat!
Posted on: 12/03/2013 22:01:00
Posted by: tarawa90
Total Posts: 88
Joined Date: Wednesday, 8 August 2012
You mean awesome hat. I can't see many 1600 titles selling well outside of Britain, which is probably why they haven't had many since the splurge about ten years ago on English Civil War campaigns.
Posted on: 12/03/2013 22:30:00
Posted by: hobbe62
Total Posts: 66
Joined Date: Thursday, 6 October 2011
The answer to both questions is: No, not for a while. (Only God knows the answer).
Posted on: 12/03/2013 23:01:00
Posted by: Heironymo
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Joined Date: Tuesday, 11 August 2020
Hell's yes, I would! The 17th century is WOEFULLY under-represented by Osprey - don't get me started on the 16thC - and it appears that they tailor their releases more & more to the American market. This is fair enough, it's a huge market but I don't believe that their aren't enough readers in the States interested in military history outside the involvement of their own nations forces to make this period a profitable one to publish. I'd love to see The Dunes get a release & I'm sure their are plenty of history buffs in the States who would salivate at the chance to read about clashes such as Freiburg 1644 or Zenta 1697 etc.
Posted on: 13/03/2013 05:25:00
Posted by: ospreyfan1
Total Posts: 7
Joined Date: Monday, 22 October 2012
Heironymo, I totally agree with you about the US market, as for the 16th century, at very least there should be a title covering the fights between Cortez and the Aztecs for Tenochtitlan, conquistador-related subjects should be marketable in the Americas.
Posted on: 13/03/2013 11:42:00
Posted by: AdamC
Total Posts: 276
Joined Date: Thursday, 22 January 2009
Great suggestion, nice pitch and a title that I'd would definatly add to my collection. I loved the English Civil War coverage they did about 10 years. Bring it on!
Posted on: 13/03/2013 13:05:00
Posted by: AdamC
Total Posts: 276
Joined Date: Thursday, 22 January 2009
PS. Heironymo - I fully agree with the US market slant, I've noticed and been saying that for a couple of years now. Their 17th centaury Campaign coverage is getting ridiculously biased and is probably the best example. MORE EVEN COVERAGE OSPREY!!!
Posted on: 13/03/2013 13:09:00
Posted by: AdamC
Total Posts: 276
Joined Date: Thursday, 22 January 2009
Sorry the above should have said 18th centuary - my fingers are working faster than my brain today!!!
Posted on: 13/03/2013 13:10:00
Posted by: Paintybeard
Total Posts: 373
Joined Date: Monday, 4 February 2013
Absolutely agree with AdamC. I enjoyed "Wabash" and don't doubt that "Fallen Timbers" will be a good book, but really is there more of a market for these than books on Minden or Fontenoy? I sometimes think that Random House has descided there must be a set percentage of books on American subjects.
Posted on: 13/03/2013 15:01:00
Posted by: MrHistory 2
Total Posts: 44
Joined Date: Friday, 15 March 2013
I want Jao Modo 1696!!
Posted on: 13/03/2013 19:37:00
Posted by: baldrick
Total Posts: 6
Joined Date: Monday, 20 January 2014
Beautiful pitched, with a well-thought out Campaign title! It certainly has the potential to be a big seller, and you could definitely count of me and some of my friends to buy a copy each. Well done ospreyfan1!
Posted on: 14/03/2013 06:54:00
Posted by: Nick Hunter
Total Posts: 55
Joined Date: Wednesday, 8 May 2013
I think The Dunes would be an excellent idea.
Posted on: 14/03/2013 18:33:00
Posted by: Rebel
Total Posts: 2
Joined Date: Wednesday, 18 January 2017
Would not only buy it but would even write it for them, once I've finished the current project...... - Mike.
Posted on: 15/03/2013 12:01:00
Posted by: Rebel
Total Posts: 2
Joined Date: Wednesday, 18 January 2017
@ Paintybeard - Fontenoy (for obvious reasons) has also figured in a number of proposal discussions I've had with my editor at Osprey, as have The Dunes, Aughrim, Landen, Steenkirke.... The answer is always stay optimistic. - LOL, Mike.
Posted on: 15/03/2013 12:12:00
Posted by: Rebel
Total Posts: 2
Joined Date: Wednesday, 18 January 2017
just is case of misunderstanding....MY answer is always etc etc - Mike
Posted on: 15/03/2013 12:14:00
Posted by: Paintybeard
Total Posts: 373
Joined Date: Monday, 4 February 2013
Keep pushing them Mike, we're all right behind you.
Posted on: 15/03/2013 14:38:00
Posted by: Ironside
Total Posts: 5
Joined Date: Friday, 3 October 2008
Another call for 'The Dunes', here - fascinating battle. Osprey have given us a little on the Protectorate stretching its military muscle at sea ('Warships of the Anglo-Dutch Wars'); now the time seems right to set foot back on dry land. It strikes me that those who wish to denigrate the New Model sometimes say something along the lines of "Beating other British troops is all very well, but could they really have held their own against a Continental army?" The Battle of the Dunes seems to give a resounding "Yes!"
Posted on: 04/05/2013 11:30:00
Posted by: Pompeius Minus
Total Posts: 6
Joined Date: Tuesday, 30 April 2013
Not a bad choice at all but I would suggest that Breitenfeld takes precedence, since it was arguably the most important battle of the century from both a tactical, strategic, and political perspective. As an aside, the Maurician roots of the much-debated military revolution are extremely poorly covered (and not just by Osprey). Maybe an MAA on the Dutch troops of the revolt or a CAM on the battle of Nieuwpoort?
Posted on: 31/05/2013 16:37:00
Posted by: W├╝rttemberger
Total Posts: 1
Joined Date: Wednesday, 2 September 2009
what utter nonsense. do you even own a single (osprey) book on the thirty years' war? such protestant propaganda is a thing of the past, or at least i thought so. what REALLY needs to be done is more books that reverse this ignorance, not MORE.
Posted on: 01/06/2013 13:15:00
Posted by: sas_mike
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Joined Date: Tuesday, 11 August 2020
I would definitely buy a book on the Battle of the Dunes and it's associated campaign. Additionally I'd ask for a seperate title on the Anglo Dutch / Franco Dutch nAwars of the 1670s.
Posted on: 14/07/2013 00:24:00

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