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Posted by: mdaniels There has been prolonged neglect, as mentioned elsewhere, of this period in the Campaign series. The argument that it 'doesn't sell' is a bit week if you never publish anything. Other periods were once neglected, presumably on the same grounds, only to be brought back and be apparently successful - Napoleonic and Ancient Warfare are both examples, as is World War 1. Here are some possible titles that I don't think are too 'obscure' to be published: Breitenfeld 1631 - Gustavus Adolphus's most famous victory and a turning point in the Thirty Year's War, as well as influential in the evolution of tactics. It is arguably in the top ten of 'most famous pre20th Century battles not yet covered', Rocoi 1643 - The battle that shifted military leadership from Spain to France and often requested by contributors to this board (keeps losing book votes to something World War Twoish - plus ca change). Cheriton 1645 - The second of the three 'decisive' Parliament victories of the 1st English Civil War and the least written about. Destroyed the South-Eastern Royalist armies and forced Charles to move East with his hitherto victorious South-Western army to its eventual doom at Naseby. Selling point - it's British! Fall of the Ming - The Manchu Conquest of China 1618-83: China is alway good 'box office' as it is now a great power. Also, the Manchu and Ming are the two pre-communist Chinese ruling dynasties that everyone has heard of. The Second Civil War 1648 - British again and the conflict that propelled Charles 1st to the scaffold. Worcester 1651 - The last great battles of the English Civil war and the starting point for all those romantic legends about Charles 2nd's escape. Sedgemoor 1685 - The last major battle in England (note: England, not Britain). Notorious for leading to Judge Jefferies's 'Bloody Assizes' and the first major victory for the future Duke of Marlborough. Barfleur/La Hogue 1692 - major defeat of the French navy: arguably the period leading up to this was the last time that France really looked like achieving mastery of the seas; after this they achieved local victories (especially in the American War of Independence) but never again really threatened to 'sweep the Royal Navy from the seas' so these twin battles are a bit of a turning point (this will probably be a contentious point, but I'm giving it a bit of the 'hard sell' here!).
Posted on: 19/09/2013 13:31:00

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Posted by: Paintybeard
Total Posts: 411
Joined Date: Monday, 4 February 2013
Keep it up, mdaniels, as you say, 17th. century is hugely interesting and very poorly served. I would buy campaign titles on Rocroi and Worcester the instant they were published
Posted on: 19/09/2013 14:34:00
Posted by: Ivan
Total Posts: 2
Joined Date: Sunday, 7 September 2008
There's no market for it.
Posted on: 19/09/2013 14:48:00
Posted by: baldrick
Total Posts: 6
Joined Date: Monday, 20 January 2014
Ivan, there is a market for it! I would buy First Breitenfeld, Rocroi, Cheriton, Second Civil War, and might I suggest (again) Roundway Down 1643 and Cropedy Bridge 1644. Thanks m daniels for your dogged persistance on behalf of many of us who just love the battles of the 16-17th Centuries, but it appears that we are rarely catered for :(
Posted on: 19/09/2013 15:27:00
Posted by: Nightbird
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Joined Date: Saturday, 4 January 2014
Seconded! I would buy Breitenfeld 1631, Sedgemoor 1685 and Fall of the Ming!
Posted on: 19/09/2013 15:36:00
Posted by: achim
Total Posts: 40
Joined Date: Wednesday, 11 September 2013
very well mdaniels! i for once would buy each and every one of those titles!
Posted on: 19/09/2013 16:59:00
Posted by: Rebel
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Joined Date: Wednesday, 18 January 2017
MDaniels - echo everyone else'S positive comments. Ivan - There IS a market, but you have to look at the whole picture, Osprey is a business and so commissions are made on what they believe will sell.
Posted on: 20/09/2013 20:00:00
Posted by: Blood Rave
Total Posts: 18
Joined Date: Friday, 10 May 2013
What about adding Second Newbury 1644, the debacle here led to the creation of the new model army
Posted on: 29/09/2013 01:33:00
Posted by: Legat
Total Posts: 1
Joined Date: Friday, 26 August 2011
As i'm delving now in the "By Fire and Sword" game i really want to see some Campaign books about the east eropean conflicts of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwalth. The Khmelnytsky Uprising of 1648–1657, The Deluge aka the Second Northern War 1655-1660, etc.
Posted on: 29/11/2013 14:56:00
Posted by: Pompeius Minus
Total Posts: 6
Joined Date: Tuesday, 30 April 2013
Can't really argue with Breitenfeld and Rocroi being top of the list. Two of the most important battles in European history, let alone the 1600s. I'd like to suggest White Mountain as well, even if it can't compete with the above "big two".
Posted on: 02/06/2014 19:53:00

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