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Posted by: Hamilcar Considering Cannae 216 BC has been done (covering Hannibal's invasion 218-216 BC), it might be worth having Zama 202 BC, Illipa 206 BC and the Metaurus 207 BC. I feel like there are enough ancient history buffs to buy these books, and authors would have a wealth of richly-varied ancient sources and modern scholarship to draw on. They could be structured in the same way Cannae is structured. I.e. Zama covers Scipio's invasion of Africa 204-201 BC, and the preparations in 205 BC. Illipa covers Scipio's invasion of Spain, 210-205 BC, with some information on the previous Spanish campaign of the elder Scipios. The Metaurus would cover Hasdrubal's invasion of Italy 208-207 BC, and the associated campaigns of Nero, Hannibal, Marcellus, Scipio and Salinator during this most crucial point in the 2nd Punic War. I reckon people would froth over these books.
Posted on: 06/04/2013 05:32:00

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Posted by: Hamilcar
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Cannae, the Metaurus, Illipa and Zama could be combined as a Hannibalic War combo.
Posted on: 06/04/2013 05:33:00
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I would love to purchase these titles. Cannae is in every "Great Battles" Book, but the others have received far less coverage!
Posted on: 06/04/2013 09:27:00
Posted by: xeneize
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I say it before, the decisive battle of the punic wars was Metaurus, was the Stalingrad for Carthago, but the battle is lost behind the greateness of Cannas and Zama!!
Posted on: 06/04/2013 14:11:00
Posted by: Hamilcar
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To the credit of 19th Century British historian Edward Creasy, he included the Metaurus among his 15 most decisive battles of world history, but other than that, it has not received the attention it deserves. Until the Metaurus, it certainly appeared like the war could have gone either way. As for Zama, it is important as it was the battle which ended the war, and was a clash of the titans: Hannibal vs Scipio, but for a demonstration of Scipio's genius, you can't go past Illipa, Scipio's Cannae, and the battle which brought to an end Barcid Spain. Incidentally, I am not on purpose favouring Roman victories over Carthaginian victories, and the Trebia and Lake Trasimene were both truly epic (Lake Trasimene is arguably the greatest ambush in history), but both are covered pretty effectively in the Cannae book, and are more or less a part of the same campaign, the initial invasion of Italy.
Posted on: 06/04/2013 14:29:00
Posted by: xeneize
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Amilcar. You are rigth, i did read the punics war book from Adrian Goldsworthy and reach the same thinking: Illipa was the great point of Scipion genious, but the defeat of Annibal at Zama is for sure more famous. The inmortal classic about Scipion is "A greater than Napoleon" of Basil Liddell Hart .
Posted on: 06/04/2013 17:46:00
Posted by: Hamilcar
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I know that book, though I don't have it. I do have 'Scipio Africanus - Rome's Greatest General' by Gabriel, though Gabriel can be a pain as he doesn't use references.
Posted on: 07/04/2013 01:44:00
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That Basil Liddell Hart book "Greater than Napoleon" onScipio is a classic. Scipio is often overlooked as one of the great ancient commanders next to Alexander, Hannibal and Caesar. Do you think he belongs in that group?
Posted on: 07/04/2013 06:04:00
Posted by: Hamilcar
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I definitely think so. Those four make the holy tetrarchy of ancient generalship. Scipio shared Hannibal's nack for masterful grand battle plans. In that particular sense I would put these two above Alexander and Caesar, though the latter two appear to have been better at improvisation and reacting to changing situations.
Posted on: 07/04/2013 06:45:00
Posted by: xeneize
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The title of the book explain himself, for Liddel Hart, made a complete analysis of Scipion against the other great generals from Alexander to Bonaparte, Hart think than Africanus was the gratest general in history, the book is from 1926, but even for me in the 2013, the conclusion is the same : Scipion for ever!!!
Posted on: 07/04/2013 19:13:00
Posted by: Hamilcar
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Haha. Personally I find Hannibal more impressive than Scipio, but as my username suggests I do have a major softspot for the Barcids.
Posted on: 08/04/2013 15:14:00

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