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Posted by: hobbe62 NVG 196 Warships of the Ancient World (3000-500 BC) use a mix of BC (Before Christ) and BCE (Before Common Era). The book's subtitle use BC while the texts within the book (including the Introduction's last section Chronology use the new term BCE. I hadn't even heard about BCE before. It puzzled me so I checked Wikipedia and now know that the English-speaking world now use CE and BCE as well as AD and BC. Have Osprey changed their writing guidelines about the use of BC? and is NVG 196 actually the first Ancient era book to use BCE?
Posted on: 18/05/2013 20:24:00

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Posted by: tarawa90
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If I had to take a guess, it probably depends on the author, which in turn probably has more to do with that particular author's feelings on using PC or non-PC terms. Interestingly I've often found that the European Authors tend to use the non-PC terms, while Americans use the PC terms.
Posted on: 19/05/2013 03:34:00
Posted by: tarawa90
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If I had to take a guess, it probably depends on the author, which in turn probably has more to do with that particular author's feelings on using PC or non-PC terms. Interestingly I've often found that the European Authors tend to use the non-PC terms, while Americans use the PC terms.
Posted on: 19/05/2013 03:34:00
Posted by: xeneize
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Perhaps becouse i am from Argentina, but BCE (Before Common Era)????. I never read this words and Common, for what???
Posted on: 19/05/2013 04:22:00
Posted by: murphac
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Common Era is advocated by the "Politically Correct" crowd because even though the world generally numbers the years off of the Christian calendar (i.e. AD 2013) not all the world is Christian and I suppose the BCE/CE is used to not offend the sensibilities of non-Christians. One of my history professors in undergrad years ago (one of those tweed-jacketed, pipe-smoking history professors of the old school; an absolutely wonderful gent) would often rail against the use of BCE/CE under the rationale that whether you were a believer or not, the "Common Era" still hinged on the alleged birth of Christ so you're not really changing anything.
Posted on: 19/05/2013 07:41:00
Posted by: Württemberger
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exactly. if you want to be really PC, you have to change the whole system, that is, redefine year 1....
Posted on: 19/05/2013 13:38:00
Posted by: xeneize
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Murphac.Thanks, my opinion about it this is stupid, is christian date, NOT a common era, if you read a newspaper of Lebanon, Israel or Iran you will see the two dates, the western (christian) and the respective religion date.
Posted on: 19/05/2013 14:32:00
Posted by: Nick Hunter
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Archaeological reports also use "BP" (for "Before present), particularly when discussing radiocarbon dating of prehistoric remains. Though "the present" is permanently stuck in 1950, for radiocarbon - anything after that is essentially screwed by nuclear testing :-(
Posted on: 19/05/2013 16:41:00
Posted by: formwiz
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It may be PC, but that just makes it stupid. There is no Common Era. There is, however, a Christian era, marked with Before Christ and Anno Domini (In the Year Of Our Lord). both the Hindus and the Jews measure years differently, as do the Moslems, so the only common thing is that most of these areas were captured and colonized by either the Romans or the later Christian empires.. Calling it a Common Era is ludicrous.
Posted on: 20/05/2013 01:32:00
Posted by: MTG
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I can assure you that trying to explain this to a class of 11 year olds is a real head banger!
Posted on: 20/05/2013 11:16:00
Posted by: MrHistory 2
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I'm tired of the bce crap. This is part of the quiet war on Christianity,I'd think the historians would be smarter than to buy into it. Christ is the reason for the calendar!
Posted on: 21/05/2013 03:16:00
Posted by: Hamilcar
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I think I understand what you're saying MrHistory2. But you're not actually saying Christianity gave birth to the calendar are you? Because of course that would be incredibly wrong.
Posted on: 21/05/2013 06:58:00
Posted by: Listowel-Boy
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This issue bring out the swivel-eyed Daily Mail reader in me! I use BC and AD in all contexts, and confusion to the Common Era!
Posted on: 21/05/2013 13:14:00
Posted by: Hamilcar
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I guess I'm on the fence. BCE/CE does seem unneccesarily pc and "happy holidays"ish. But admittedly, not being a Christian, I do feel a little bit of resentment being subordinated by BC/AD. Maybe I should take up the Seleucid dating system haha. That would make this year 1701.Welcome to the18th Century everyone!
Posted on: 22/05/2013 02:43:00
Posted by: FJ-1973
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I think that also some Christians and theologists using the term "Before Common Era", and not "Before Christ" more. But that is not some "Politically correctness" but more trying to looking to facts. That is becuase the fact that Jesus are supposed to have been born 7-4 years before year 0! So they use “Before present” as dating before year 0, because “Before christ” means 4-7 years earlier. So "Warships of the Ancient World 2996-2993 – 496-493 Before Christ" is little to long (and for the most buyer confusing) title...
Posted on: 22/05/2013 06:57:00
Posted by: Württemberger
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there is no year 0, 1 BC is followed by AD 1. besides, year 1 represents what people THOUGHT was the birth of jesus back when they created the calendar. no matter how you turn it, the calendar we use today in most parts of the world is inherently christian. as i said, if you want to be politically correct, change year 1 altogether.
Posted on: 22/05/2013 14:57:00
Posted by: Hamilcar
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So the conclusion is: Adopt the Seleucid era.
Posted on: 25/05/2013 12:58:00
Posted by: WickedMessenger
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Or the Mayan calender! Welcome to the year 0! Nothing to worry about for the next 5200 years!
Posted on: 01/07/2013 20:18:00

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