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Posted by: Amaral I heard Vietnam subjects aren't famous, but I will give it a try anyway. - CAM Battle of Ia Drang 1965 I already mentioned this famous battle turned into a movie [with a crappy intro] would fit the CAM format perfectly. Pictures, analysis (the Americans and Communists made errors worth taking a look), maps (one of the higher points in the series), aftermath (both sides claimed victory), the viability of the airmobile concept learned from the French manuals of the Algerian War, the situation in South Vietnam, the follow on battle by the ARVN Airborne etc... The Americans suffered some 40% casualties but the US presentation of the battle is completely romanticized to blurr this fact and avoid criticism of the management of the battle, the North Vietnamese side is never addressed and the South Vietnamese side not even known by the majority of the audience. The Americans also like to say this battle was the first airmobile battle in history when, in fact, Algeria was the first helicopter war and the Americans used translated French manuals and had French advisers in the United States. And even with all this, there is the infamous phrase "French Army? What is that?" in Mel Gibson's movie... Forczyk's review http://www.amazon.com/review/R6XIOI0DM1LJU/ref=cm_aya_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0060975768#wasThisHelpful ARVN battle http://www.generalhieu.com/iadrang_arvn-2.htm - Elite GM 100 At the beginning of "We were soldiers" there is a completely inaccurate presentation of the ambushes suffered by the Groupe Mobile 100. They have the wrong uniforms, the wrong berets, the berets are at the wrong side, the soldiers in the jeep have white kepis like legionnaires and they are walking. In reality, they were a mechanized unit as every other Groupe Mobile. Osprey should think about a MAA or Elite on the Groupe Mobile concept alone. The GM 100 was an elite unit, very well trained and comparable to FFL equivalents. The Viet Minh reported they as FFL at first, because they had a higher proportion of Europeans. And the "hardcore" personnel were veterans of the French Korean Battalion. I treated this unit here: http://www.ospreypublishing.com/forum/modern_warfare/3711/ When in Indochina, the unit received extensive trainning before going out in the field. This was a particular exception, because the other units received "on the job" training. The "native" (French and Cambodians) of the Bataillon de Marche of the 43rd Colonial Infantry cradles were also high quality and the unit could be proud of itself and had good cohesion. The GMs and GB (Groupe Blindé) were always on the move, and the GB often covered more combat mileage in a week than a similar unit would cover n Korea in six months. The Americans failed to apreciate the usefulness of armor in Vietnam, tough, and the South Vietnamese that started showing how to use tanks AFVs until Gen. Abrams, a cavalryman, assumed command. The aromored cupola of the M113 is an ARVN invention. Either an Elite on the GM 100 or an MAA or Elite on the GM/GB concepts are acceptable. - Elite Special Landing Force Operations The USMC, ROKMC and the RVNMD conducted more than 72 small-scale amphibious landings, called Special Landing Force Operations, during the war. Vietnam Infantry Tactics was a success, why stop there? It's been a long time since Osprey made a book on amphibious operations. Osprey must take a look at the sea soldiers once in a while: http://www.ospreypublishing.com/forum/modern_warfare/3745/ - Warrior South Vietnamese Marine Speaking of marines, the South Vietnamese marines ("Sea Tigers") had a proud and interesting history. Born as Commandos of the French Dinassauts, the Su Ðoàn Th?y Quân L?c Chi?n (TQLC) would become one of the most effective units of the South Vietnamese Armed Forces. Easily recognizable by their smartly and tight fitting "Sea Wave" uniforms - that caught the eye of an American advisor, and the Americans introduced it in their forces as the "Tiger Stripes" - the Sea Tigers participated in every important campaign of the war, paying a high price for their reputation. They spent over 75% of their time in the field, the highest proportion in the Free World Forces, made an amphibious crossing across the Perfume River during the Battle of Hue (1968) and fought hard in to take the Citadel of Quang Tri in 1972. In vicious house-to-house fighting in which almost one out of every four of the 8,000 ARVN Marines in the division had been killed or wounded during the operation, named Lam Son 72. Iconic picture of the ARVN Marines raising their flag in the recaptured city of Quang Tri: http://svqy.org/2013/12-2013/corr/hue1-1(2).jpg Uniforms: http://www.popsmoke.com/ARVN4.html South Vietnamese Marines cross the Perfume River in a landing craft for the final assault on the ancient imperial capital of Hue, 1968: http://postimg.org/image/tbjaw51fj/ South Vietnamese Marine holds children during the fighting in Hue in 1968: http://postimg.org/image/exvzy8wdv/ - Warrior South Vietnamese Soldier and Paratrooper There is a lack of books dedicated to the study of the South Vietnamese military; it's like they weren't there. The MAA on the Army of the Republic of Vietnam was a fresh breeze on the bibliography of the subject and - if I remember correctly - appeared in the bestselling list. It made me start to pay attention in this much maligned army and started buying books on the subject. In my review of Rottman's book I suggested a Warrior on the ordinary ARVN soldier, like the one on the NVA soldier - from the same author. After reading "Angels in Red Hats" I was convinced that Osprey could, and should, make another one on the South Vietnamese Paratroopers. They were heavily influenced by the French, and kept this tradition until the end, the Nháy Dù Division was the most decorated unit in the South Vietnamese Army and made more combat jumps than anyone else in the war. The American advisors liked the French "oldschool" style of the ARVN airborne commanders and many officers form the division rose to important posts of the South Vietnamese Army. For the enthusiasts of parachuting, a two part historic archive showing training jumps in 1966: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj-2zhhyhHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKTOgM8v_Jw - Elite ARVN Ranger Command There is no book on the ARVN Rangers. what else is there to say? - CAM Battle of Hue 1968 I know, there is a CAM on the Tet Offensive. But I believe a more in-depth coverage of the Battle of Hue is necessary. House-to-house fighting is a methodical kind of battle and is one of the most studied kinds of warfare this days. I liked Osprey's "Concrete Hell" and would love to see the CAM version of the Battle of Hue in the modern sytem. I would also like to see more coverage of the Vietnamese side, North and South, as there were more ARVN dead than US deads and we still see some idiotic movie scenes like this one with the old "never fired, dropped once" joke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUQsozpZUSw - CAM Battle of An Loc 1972 The greatest victory of the South Vietnamese, showing they were willing and able - as long as supported by the US - to resist the Communist agression. - CAM Battle of Xuân L?c 1975 Abandonned by the United States, the South Vietnamese made a heroic last stand against overwhelming forces of the Vietnamese People's Army. The VPA won, but at a hard price, and used a T-55 to enter Saigon in yet another emblematic image of the war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcQoQDkhbYw - MAA ROK forces The largest contingent after the South Vietnamese and Americans, with 45,000 men and still no coverage beside the ROK marines... - Warrior US Advisor (Co Van) Training, techniques, lifestyle, day to day relationship with soldiers from another culture, what is there not to like? http://www.ospreypublishing.com/forum/vietnam_war/4149/
Posted on: 03/04/2014 12:56:00

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Posted by: .George Washington
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And Dien Bien Phu.
Posted on: 03/04/2014 13:25:00
Posted by: grandien1
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Joined Date: Sunday, 3 February 2013
Absoloutely accurate. No word can be added. Perfect.
Posted on: 03/04/2014 16:14:00
Posted by: 1830
Total Posts: 17
Joined Date: Friday, 24 May 2013
Hello: I add: RAID: The rescue of Bat 21 Bravo 1972 http://www.ospreypublishing.com/forum/vietnam_war/2826/ ELITE: Ho Chi Minh trail
Posted on: 03/04/2014 16:25:00
Posted by: GI Gene
Total Posts: 78
Joined Date: Saturday, 7 February 2009
I support your suggestions wholeheartedly. I would add a Campaign title about the 1972 Linebacker raids and an Elite title about Vietnam Medal of Honor winners.
Posted on: 03/04/2014 16:57:00
Posted by: kuvaszsleepybear
Total Posts: 297
Joined Date: Wednesday, 7 August 2013
Osprey Raid-Lima Site 85.
Posted on: 03/04/2014 19:57:00
Posted by: Railok
Total Posts: 19
Joined Date: Monday, 8 October 2012
If I may say so, it's about damn time that Osprey puts out more titles on the Vietnam War. Hopefully, these won't all be written by Gordon Rottman.
Posted on: 03/04/2014 21:09:00
Posted by: xeneize
Total Posts: 75
Joined Date: Friday, 18 January 2013
Amaral. Very good list, my dream is a Raid for the Dac Cong assault on Lima Site 85 in Laos, the most important SF operation of the war. The final NVA offensive deserved a CAM!!!
Posted on: 04/04/2014 00:06:00
Posted by: Blood Rave
Total Posts: 18
Joined Date: Friday, 10 May 2013
Add a CAM on Operation Rolling Thunder to that list
Posted on: 04/04/2014 05:38:00
Posted by: Amaral
Total Posts: 200
Joined Date: Friday, 8 March 2013
Thanks for the support guys. @.George Washington: Yes! Exactly! And we need the philosophical concept (doctrine) of the "base aéroterrestre" and compare the experience of Nasan. I already suggested about the FFL Paras here: http://www.ospreypublishing.com/forum/vietnam_war/3890/ @grandien1: Merci. @1830: How could I forget the Trail???? Excellent idea. @GI Gene: Good idea, it has been a while since those Elite titles about medals. Osprey could make a General Military book about "medalhística" too. But not only American medals. The Operation Linebacker II (1972) would be nice to show the inadequancies of airpower, what it can and can't achieve. @kuvaszsleepybear: I would love the artwork, just imagine the welth of uniforms and the battle scenes! @Railok: I like Gordon L. Rottman but fresh material is always good. What happened to Charlers Melson? I loved Elite 43 Vietnam Marines 1965–73, one of the best in the series. @xeneize: There is very little on te war in Laos. Osprey has an ANCIENT book on the MAA series that I had in PDF - I plan into buying as an actual book - and Bernard Fall has one chapter about it in his "Street Without Joy" from 1964. As this operation was a covert one, the audience will cratinly be captivated. As for the Spring Offensive, I know only one book written by Colonel-General Dung and "Black April". An even handed account that can see through Communist and American propaganda would be great! @Blood Rave: Roger!
Posted on: 04/04/2014 11:43:00
Posted by: Railok
Total Posts: 19
Joined Date: Monday, 8 October 2012
Don't get me wrong, I like Rottman too. My only problem is that it seems that when it comes to the USMC or the Vietnam era, Osprey is overly reliant on him. Perhaps picking out an actual academic would bring out more interesting and obscure sources which would provide us with information that has come to light in the last 40 years.
Posted on: 04/04/2014 12:55:00
Posted by: grandien1
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Joined Date: Sunday, 3 February 2013
And, Amaral, what do You think about Operation Lea? 1947. Hunt for Ho Chi Minh. Maybe Raid, such a Knight’s Move – The Hunt for Marshal Tito 1944? Action against Viet Bac area? I like it.
Posted on: 04/04/2014 20:45:00
Posted by: guto
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Joined Date: Tuesday, 3 March 2009
I think it would be nice to have a title covering a typical search and destroy operation, like operation Cedar Falls. Anyway, I subscribe to Amaral other suggestions.
Posted on: 05/04/2014 01:05:00
Posted by: xeneize
Total Posts: 75
Joined Date: Friday, 18 January 2013
Amaral. I have the old Osprey book, was my first refence to the Lima Site 85, i have too "Black April", a superb book with never published NVA files, the only weak point is have very few photos.
Posted on: 05/04/2014 02:20:00
Posted by: Amaral
Total Posts: 200
Joined Date: Friday, 8 March 2013
Railok I don't believe being an academic is much better than being a soldier. Clayton Chun is an academic and his Raid 24 "The Last Boarding Party – The USMC and the SS Mayaguez 1975" is the worst Raid title I ever read, while Rottman's Raid 3 "The Cabanatuan Prison Raid – The Philippines 1945" is one of the best. Some civilian academics, like Douglas Porch, have f*cked up pretty good some books.
Posted on: 05/04/2014 06:42:00
Posted by: Amaral
Total Posts: 200
Joined Date: Friday, 8 March 2013
@grandien1: Are you kidding me? I was the first one in this forum to suggest Operation Léa. http://www.ospreypublishing.com/forum/modern_warfare/2249/ http://www.ospreypublishing.com/forum/modern_warfare/4155/ I also suggested two Warrior books f
Posted on: 05/04/2014 06:49:00
Posted by: grandien1
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Joined Date: Sunday, 3 February 2013
Sorry, Amaral. Of course You did. I only did not notice it before. Mea Maxima Culpa. All Your suggestions are great. Maybe another raid - Phu Thong Hoa 1948 (Vietming against FFL Garrison).
Posted on: 05/04/2014 07:11:00
Posted by: Amaral
Total Posts: 200
Joined Date: Friday, 8 March 2013
Let's hope they listen to us and make the book. I loved "Knights Move" and I believe Operation Léa will make an excellent book. I also suggested other French raids like Operation Hirondelle and Operation Lorraine. The Street Without Joy is also another good idea. I also have more ideas outside the Indochina War: http://www.ospreypublishing.com/forum/general/2780/
Posted on: 05/04/2014 07:30:00
Posted by: xeneize
Total Posts: 75
Joined Date: Friday, 18 January 2013
Amaral. the old book is MAA 217 "The War in Laos 1960-75" of Kenneth Conboy, at the time was a good book.
Posted on: 05/04/2014 14:15:00
Posted by: 1830
Total Posts: 17
Joined Date: Friday, 24 May 2013
Hello: As aviation fan I suggest some a Combat Aircraft title about the gunships: AC-47, AC-119, AC-130 (and why not US Navy's AP-2H?).
Posted on: 06/04/2014 00:27:00
Posted by: Amaral
Total Posts: 200
Joined Date: Friday, 8 March 2013
Do it talk about the American air effort in Laos, xeneize?
Posted on: 06/04/2014 09:06:00

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