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Posted by: Loïc about the Engineers my dear and old MAA 179 Staff Specialist & Maritime Services listed only 2 NY regiments, the 1st Michigan, the US Army Battalion and one company, for the Confederate 2 regiments...but it seems that there were more units
-1st 2nd 15th 50th New York
-1st Missouri (former Bissell's)
-1st Michigan Engineer & Mechanics
-1st to 5th Engineers Corps d'Afrique
-1st US Veteran Volunteers (from the Pioneer Brigade)
-the US Battalion
-a PIONEER Brigade (1st to 4th battalion and a Pontoneer Battalion)
- US Volunteers Pontoneers Coy, an Independant Pennsylvania Engineers coy, Sappers and Miners Coy and Pioneers coy in Missouri, a Michigan company

so 12 Engineers Regiments, one Battalion, a 5-Battalions Pioneer Pontoneer Brigade and some companies for the Union Army
Posted on: 11/09/2014 16:33:00

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Posted by: Loïc
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Joined Date: Monday, 5 January 2009
for the Confederates it's less clear, instead of 2 regiments it seems there were



-CSA 1st to 5th Regiment

-1st Georgia Regiment

-1st & 3rd KentuckyRegiment

-2nd Alabama Regiment

-4th Mississippi Regiment

-7th South Carolina Regiment

-1st South Carolina PIONEERS Regiment

-a Pioneer Battalion



also 12 regiments and a pioneer battalion



several States "Corps", no idea if it was a departamental service or whole unit in these cases

-Tennesse Engineer Corps

-Florida Engineer Corps

-Mississippi Engineer Corps

-Louisiana Engineer Corps

-Virginia Engineer Corps

-Alabama Engineer Corps



I think an Elite about the US & (CS) Engineer Corps from 1776 to 1898 will be a nice topic, perhaps onclinding about the Ordnance Signals & Quatermaster Corps



Posted on: 11/09/2014 16:47:00
Posted by: Loïc
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Joined Date: Monday, 5 January 2009
uupps I want to write "including" others corps; I forgot I have a book about Louisiana, there was a "Sappers & Miners Company of Orléans" but as Company H - 22nd Louisiana Infantry Regiment
Posted on: 11/09/2014 16:59:00
Posted by: Paintybeard
Total Posts: 371
Joined Date: Monday, 4 February 2013
My understanding is that essentially all War Between the States troops were frequently engaged in fortification construction plus both constructive and destructive road / rail work. For major fortifications, Confederate authorities also heavily utilized slave labor.



The battle of Groveton (28 August 1862) is an example of where enlisted men and officers alike learned that the price of an open stand up fight was unbearable. As they were typically outnumbered and underequipped, Confederate troops especially became adept and quickly creating field fortifications at the end of a day's march. Federal troops left records of their irritation at having to routinely attack entrenchments.



Most of the Confederate units that are mentioned in the above note are Confederate line troops. For instance, the 7th S.C. Volunteer Infantry was s particularly heavily engaged unit fighting on the Peninsula, in the Seven Days battles, at Second Manassas, at Sharpsburg, at Fredericksburg, at Gettysburg, at Chickamauga, etc. until made part of a consolidated unit with the remnants surrendered by J. Johnston in North Carolina on 26 April 1865. Due to the vagaries of Confederate unit designations, the "1st Ga. Infantry" is ambiguous. Excluding less active Reserve and State Guard units plus later consolidated regiments, there was the 1st Ga. Confederate Infantry (a.k.a. the 1st Confederate Infantry, a mixed state volunteer unit), the 1st Ga. Regular Infantry, the 1st (Lawton's) Ga. Infantry, the 1st (Ramsey's) Ga. Infantry (a short lived unit) and the 1st Ga. State Line Infantry. With the possible exception of 1st (Ramsey's) Ga. Infantry, all of these units were as adept with axes / shovels as they were with Enfield rifles. Some units designated infantry were actually mostly artillery units and some artillery units actually served mostly as infantry. The Co. H, 22nd La. Infantry mentioned above is likely Co. H, 22nd La. Consolidated Infantry. Co. H was formed mostly of men formerly of the 3rd La. Infantry having been surrendered (4 July 1863) at Vicksburg. The 22nd La. Consolidated Infantry is a case where "infantry" troops served mostly in fortifications as heavy artillerymen.



I am not aware of a unit designated "1st S.C. Pioneer Regiment". There were three late War Confederate units, the 1st, 2nd & 3rd Confederate Engineer Regiments (actually partial regiments), that were essentially full time pioneers. The state corps that are mentioned likely are engineering officers associated with state militias, state guard or state line units. Every state in the Confederacy had an engineering officer contingent in their militia type forces. For Confederate service, some engineering officers held regular commissions but the majority held volunteer commissions.

Posted on: 12/09/2014 09:30:00
Posted by: Loïc
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Joined Date: Monday, 5 January 2009
Thank you Ranger08, I have to reduce my list for the Confederate, and what about the so-called "4th & 5th" CSA Engineers Regiments?

Posted on: 12/09/2014 19:28:00
Posted by: Amaral
Total Posts: 200
Joined Date: Friday, 8 March 2013
I have never come across any reference to a 5th Confederate Engineers.



Apparently there was a 4th Confederate Engineers created in the Trans Mississippi Department during April 1865 (i.e. just prior to the surrender of the major Confederate field armies). This unit was either a redesignation or expansion of the 1st Confederate Engineer Battalion. The four company 1st Confederate Engineer Battalion was organized in the Trans Mississippi Department on 1 April 1864. Two 1st Confederate Engineer Battalion companies are reported to have participated in Ma. Gen. S. Price's September / October 1864 raid into Missouri. The remaining two companies are reported to have been stationed in Galveston. Otherwise, information on both the 1st Confederate Engineer Battalion and the 4th Confederate Engineers is scant. Secondary sources indicate that Capt. Hugh T. Douglas, known to previously have been Capt. of Co. F, 1st Confederate Engineers, was appointed Lt. Col. to command the 1st Confederate Engineer Battalion. This probably is correct but there could be confusion with Lt. Col. Henry Thomas Douglas, Trans Mississippi Department chief engineer. It seems likely that Henry T. Douglas and Hugh T. Douglas are related possibly being brothers or father / son. Neither man was a professional soldier.

Posted on: 13/09/2014 02:30:00
Posted by: Pompeius Minus
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Joined Date: Tuesday, 30 April 2013
It's interesting that the engineers were held in such high esteem before the war, with the top West Point graduates (e.g. Lee) automatically being sent there. I don't know waht the reason was. Might have simply been the theoretical nature of the job, or the relative importance of fortifications to maneuver armies in North America.

It must have made the engineers somtehing of an elite corps though, and it would be interesting to know if this influenced the penchant for field fortifications and a logistics-heavy approach during the civil war. The amateurishness when it came to offensive tactics could also have been influenced by sending all the best people to the engineers.
Posted on: 17/12/2014 11:02:00
Posted by: Pompeius Minus
Total Posts: 6
Joined Date: Tuesday, 30 April 2013
BTW how do I get paragraph spaces? It almost seems like the settings are different in every subforum!

Osprey, please consider upgrading your forum software someday. The discussions and people are interesting, but the antiquated software drags it down. There are excellent free or nearly free alternatuves available.
Posted on: 17/12/2014 11:04:00

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