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Posted by: Monk of War An update on the T-72 tank
Posted on: 30/06/2015 14:53:29

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Posted by: Monk of War
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Joined Date: Thursday, 25 June 2015

There are currently just two Osprey books on the T-72 - the NVG T-72 Main Battle Tank 1974-93 and the Duel title M1 Abrams vs T-72 Ural.


The first book only goes up to 1993, so it missed out Chechnya (1994 - 2009), Yugoslavia's break up (1990s), the Iraq War (2003 - 2011), the Syrian civil war and its spillover into Iraq (2011 - now) and the Ukrainian crisis (2014 - present).T-72s have also featured in the Sudanese civil war and Georgia (2008).

As for the Duel one, it does not discuss the T-72B since that version was not used by Iraq or in Operation Desert Storm.

Other publisher books on T-72s are out of print, such as Concord's The T-72 and T-90 Tanks photo books.

Would Osprey consider doing an updated NVG or even general military book on this rather important but under rated MBT?

Posted on: 30/06/2015 14:53:34
Posted by: Paintybeard
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Joined Date: Monday, 4 February 2013

Osprey don't seem very keen to do direct updates of previous books, usually they try to find a new angle or cover the subject in a different series. So I'm not sure of the best way to approach this. A Duel title based either in Iraq or Chechenya? A New Vanguard titled something like:"Export versions of T-72"?

 I very much enjoyed the recent book on Soviet SPAA, so I agree that there is a good market for books on modern Russian armour.    

Posted on: 30/06/2015 16:37:58
Posted by: Monk of War
Total Posts: 8
Joined Date: Thursday, 25 June 2015

Actually the T-72M and T-72M1 - export versions of the T-72A - are the most well known and documented since they were spanked very hard during Desert Storm. Much has been written about Russian tanks being trashed by Chechens but the writings don't really go into the dirty details about specific T-72 types in that theater - T-72AV, T-72B or both?

Concord's photobook The T-72 and T-90 Tanks had impressive photos of T-72s upgraded outside Russia but it's out of print.

I could think of some good alternative title suggestions for Osprey - Merkava vs T-72 Lebanon 1982, RPG vs T-72 and T-80 Chechnya 1994 - 2009 or T-64 vs T-72 Ukraine 2014. Since the Ukraine war is ongoing and so little evidence of tank on tank battles have emerged, the last suggestion may not ever happen for decades.

Posted on: 30/06/2015 17:21:00
Posted by: Paintybeard
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Joined Date: Monday, 4 February 2013

Yes, as with so many modern wars getting reliable information from "the other side of the hill" can be terribly difficult. There's nothing more depressing than going back to some 20-year old books and seeing how faulty some of their data is.

   For that reason I would think your proposal for a book on Israel/Lebanon would have the best chance of providing a worthwhile reference. 

Posted on: 30/06/2015 17:43:36
Posted by: ASM
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You have my full-hearted support for A new book on the T-72! But it has to be A NVG. We will not settle for anything else and I am confident that Osprey have long since realized the need for an upgrade...
Posted on: 30/06/2015 18:02:18
Posted by: Monk of War
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Joined Date: Thursday, 25 June 2015

Indeed a Duel title on Israeli Merkava 1s against Syrian T-72Ms would be a winner with plenty of factors to debate about because:

 

- It was the first time either vehicle was used in war;

- Merkava had better protection than the T-72M but the latter tank was supposed to be faster owing to being lighter.

- Southern Lebanon's terrain favoured the defender (the Syrians) heavily BUT also would negate the superior mobility of their T-72Ms. So, the Merkava, which was also being channelled into terrain that does NOT suit the attacker (Israelis) would have to count on their better protection;

- Israeli crews were better trained than Syrian crews. But again, the Syrians were in terrain that favoured them so that may have equalized them.

Posted on: 01/07/2015 11:53:06

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